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Date Fished: Never Ending
Location: Salmon River and beyound
Water Conditions: 1,500 cfs approx.
Posted By:  "Randy Jones" randysjones@earthlink.net
     4/21/2004 8:17:10 AM   Report ID: 10381

Report: Salmon River Report April 18-22:
Once again it's time to close another incredible chapter in this novel called the Salmon River and open a new one called
Southeast Cape Cod Inshore Wade Saltwater Fly/Spin Fishing Report's and Ramblings:
I still have a few more trips to do on the river and will update this web site if anything new and exciting happens that you all should know about. Maybe I'll even post a few of the more memorable fish for all of you to enjoy. So check in from time to time. I'll leave the light on for you. Otherwise I'm going to start working on switching thing's over to the Salt.
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Sunday:
We picked away at them (Steelhead) all day. Everywhere we wet a line they were present. Some here, couple there, one around the bend sort'a stuff. Keep fishing and you will find some. That's what we did and it worked like magic. Good luck, Randy

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Mail Bag:
Randy, Let's do the 13th of Sept for salmon if it is still open..
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Hi Scott,
I would only take that date (Sept. 13) knowing that very-very few fish tend to run at that time. I book these early dates for folks who want to fish the am run, whatever that consists of and then walk 2 miles stopping along the way to show you the prime spots all species uses to rest while in transition up river and through the DSR. It should only be booked if catching fish that day is NOT your priority, but learning is. This knowledge will last you a lifetime for future fishing fun.
Please let me know if this is what you want to do.
Thanks,
Randy
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Nope...thanks again for the honesty.
I'll be in NY so few times, catching would be my primary goal.
Actually, it would be my secondary goal. Just being out there
is good enough for me. However, I'll fish maine that weekend
and we'll find another time/year to do salmon.
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Great! Sept. 13 is still open for any of you who want knowledge first of prime locations to fish in the lower river where the fish are the freshest and easiest to catch for a lifetime of future fishing knowledge. Whether it be Salmon or Steelhead. They all us the same holding locations. It's amazing the number of people I see that walk past 15 good spots in 1/8 mile and will only fish the area that they were shown once before or see someone else fishing. There are a LOT of hiding places for these fish that only but the most experienced angler knows about. That's why we normally do pretty good as most folks walk right past many-many fish and forget what a transitional resting location might consist of. (current breaks)
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Hi Randy,
Hope all is well. I noticed in your post that you are heading west to fish tribs. Are our tribs in the eastern shore dead? I noticed a lot of posted signs in places we used to go up on Tug Hill. ------ can not survive without being stocked. Wild tribs should be no kill only. Hopefully, I can hit a few in the SR this weekend.
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Nope, not fishing West at all. Other's are. But not me. ---- creek is close and with fish, if interested. It's before you get to Rochester.
Yes, the local tribs into the Lake and Salmon River have some fish. How many? Not sure as I have not fished them recently, but do know several guides have been having some (?) success. (suckers) I'm all for no kill. Hopefully the one fish limit will include them and help also. It's sad to see the number of snaggers going into these sometimes small creeks and streams and yanking them out. Makes me sick!
Good Luck,
Randy
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Monday: They say the water was dropped in the Salmon River to 1,000 cfs
over the last couple of days, but it did not. Finally today they have
gotten around to what looks (?) to be the correct flow. I still think
it's a lil over 1,500 cfs, but what do I know. (Until MIDNIGHT Wed APR 21,
1,500 CFS, plus what lil run-off there still is) Every body of water
around is with fish at present. The lake is starting to turn on also.
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Today my same guest's from yesterday got to enjoy what so few of us ever
could possibly imagine accomplishing or experiencing. Lets just say for
their second day ever on the river they had one of the best days all year
in my Guide-Outfitter Business. (But who's counting :) I would recommend
coming up to fish, especially if you have a complete and thorough
understanding of Spring steelhead in the Salmon River and surrounding
waters. Wow!! One of the better fish pictures I took today would have
looked incredible, but in all of the excitement, I forgot to take the
lens cap off. Daaaa!

(See Photo - www.yankeeangler.com - Fishing Reports)

(Rod doubled over with a catapulting steelhead on, sun shinning over your shoulder, reel singing the
fisherman's national anthem, WHAT COULD BE BETTER!
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Tuesday:
Today my guest's got to enjoy what so few of us ever
could possibly imagine accomplishing or experiencing. Lets just say
they had one of the best days all year in my Guide-Outfitter Business.
(But who's counting :)
We fished several different locations and found LOTs of new fish
(not fresh-but new fish, there is a difference and maybe someday Ill explain it)
old fish, area's absolutely over flowing and loaded with Steelhead!
Amazing, incredible and very exciting to say the least.
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I would recommend coming up to fish, especially if you have a complete and thorough
understanding of Spring steelhead in the Salmon River and surrounding
waters. WoW!! Water was at least 1,500 cfs today, which is what it has been for the
last several days. They were reporting the wrong flows.
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Today I watched other's hook-up and also land Steelhead. It made me feel very happy
and content to share in their success of those fortunate enough, that were fishing
around us. Noticed a few more anglers around which in turn Im sure helped out the
local economy a little. Many good and positive things that I see that can't help but
make you feel good about this incredible fishery.

(See Photo - www.yankeeangler.com - Fishing Reports)

Jeff with one of many. Nice Buck. (Jeff, I hope you did not hurt your
left arm pushing the fish out to make it look bigger, made for a nicer
picture of the fish though) Congrats to you both! (All fish Released)
----

Wed.
Last minute cancellation, darn, especially with this perfect water flow
and how well everything has been fishing of late. Shame to not
take advantage of such incredible fishing and waste a once in a lifetime
probable experience! O-well, as we all know,
sometimes that ol work thing can and does get in the way.


Best Fish's,
Randy Jones


Date Fished: Never Ending
Location: Salmon river and beyound
Water Conditions: 6,000 cfs
Posted By:  "Randy Jones" randysjones@earthlink.net
     4/15/2004 10:07:33 AM   Report ID: 10330

Report: Thursday:
If you are really dyeing to fish you may try the creeks out West. Combination of suckers (o-o) Browns and steelhead. Or try some of the optional creeks North, East of here. Heard-saw some are clearing to a not - almost, possible fishable level today.

Friday:
Not knowing what the water level would be today on Thursday am, the long drive my guest's would be making and adding additional 2-3 hour drive one way 4-6 hours round trip) to hit the creeks out West helped me decide to cancel due to not knowing what water levels would be on Friday. Plus, with my guide - referral business being so successful and my work schedule keeping me busy from Feb. 1 until the end of april, Losing a few days of work really was not a big deal. I would rather lose several days pay then add many hours of driving time for my clients to find fishable water, drive around all day looking for such waters or fish water's that just were not optimal in my opinion. Wasting my guest's time and money. Again, nothing unusual at this time of the year.


Look for the water levels to drop soon on the Salmon river.

Best Fish's,
Randy Jones


Date Fished: Never Ending
Location: Slamon River and beyound
Water Conditions: 6,000 cfs until Thursady? plus run-off
Posted By:  "Randy Jones" randysjones@earthlink.net
     4/14/2004 8:34:38 AM   Report ID: 10316

Report: Friday:
Several days ago, up river on the Salmon the water temp. was a chilly 37-38 degrees. Many of us believe that due to the cold water temp. that this is the reason the fishing should be good until mid-late May. To soon to really forecast. Unfortunately, I have no more open dates, April, May 3 through 6 dates are no longer available. Sorry! Presently myself, other professional angler's and every guide I know would equate the fishing at present to more like Mid-March, then mid April. (due to a number of factors mentioned above and below.)

With cloudy, chance of rain and showers in this coming weeks weather forecast I would guess that they will keep the river at 1,000 cfs or raise it as we get rain or run-off. Most people dont realize that if the Tug Hill area has 2-3 feet of snow, that the snow is close too, if not 100% heavily soaked with water. Even with only 2-3 feet of snow, with the added water content to the snow it means a LOT of cold run-off.

(Photo is not up yet on the web site)
Nice photo taken recently when we had that last high water period by some of my fishing guest's while they were here. This is a photo of the Salmon River Falls with 4,600 cfs, maybe more running over. Incredible! A must visit for you anytime of the year, if you have never seen it. A visit to the Altmar hatchery would also be on my list of places and things to do when not fishing.

Monday:
Sloooow fishing! Got to play with a few while wading in the early AM. Not a nibble off the drift boat from Altmar to Pinneville. Fished about 4 prime locations. Wondering if the numbers of weekend holiday anglers-boats hurt us today? Hmmmm.

Tuesday:
Boy, did we hammer them today! My two guest's played with about a dozen Steelhead through out the course of the day. M-M good! They were out with me yesterday so it was nice to have an incredible-memorable day of fishing today to make up for their sloooow one yesterday. There is only one thing better then being tight to a Steelhead, some of you older farts might not remember what that is :)

Wednesday:
The water line on Tuesday said 1,500 cfs. Great! Then this morning at 4:30 am they had jumped it to Until MIDNIGHT Fri APR 16, 2,000 CFS , still Great!! As we approached one of my high-water fishing spots I noticed the river sounded more like Niagara Falls, Hmmmm. We were up river where lil to no run-off happens. We had about 1 foot visibility and the water was running more like 5,500cfs, darn!! I knew that with the amount of rain we had received last night, the snow still on the Tug Hill (saturated with water) and from personal and friends reports that all the surrounding creeks were either running chocolate or out of their banks and unfishable. So sadly we had to cancel today's trip. This is common and not unusual during the Spring. Normally you will get a day or two or more of (Unpredictable) higher flows and unfishable surrounding waters. Maybe tomorrow? This early am there was about 4-5 feet from the water to the bottom of the Altmar bridge.

They just now changed the water level forecast (plus run-off) to 6,000 cfs at 8 am on the water line web site today Wed. (Until MIDNIGHT Thu APR 15, 6,000 CFS)

Wish I had better news for all of you but felt letting you know now might save you the time, energy, money for a wasted trip up here at present. Maybe in a day or two?

Best Fish's,
Randy Jones
www.yankeeangler.com - Salmon River Fishing Reports, Updates, Pictures, Etc.....



Date Fished: Never ending
Location: Pucker Brush Creek and Salmon River and Beyound
Water Conditions: cystal clear, stained to very dirty
Posted By:  "Randy Jones" randysjones@earthlink.net
     4/3/2004 11:51:06 AM   Report ID: 10208

Report: The below is a continuation from the below report. It was sooooo long that it would not all fit in the space provided. So you may want to read the report below first, then this one, so it makes more sence. Best Fish's,
Randy Jones


Hope all is well and thanks for you idea. I have not heard one person say what you did and I'm glad you did. Makes perfect sense to me. I personally do not think we would lose 1 angler if they could only keep one Salmon per day. If we did lose some angler's then fine. It would simply mean one less Dick in the pool. :)
Randy
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I encourage you all to refer to the NYSDEC Freshwater Fishing web page, www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/fish/index.html , to access the "License & Regulation Information" for a listing of the proposed changes to the State's sport fishing regulations. Comments on the proposed regulations can be e-mailed the Department no later than April 12 2004.

Salmon River Report April 1:
Chris and Jim fished hard for several hook-up's and the below landed awesome Male Steelhead by Jim. Congrats! (All Fish Released)

(See Photo)

Ye-haa, surf's up! Until MIDNIGHT Fri APR 02, 3,500 CFS. Lots of options, if your in the know.

Interesting that I watched the water rise mid-day. Normally this only happens during an emergency. Hmmmm. Water clarity in the upper Salmon River today was about 2-1/2 feet? Very unusual! If you are new to the Salmon River, are not used to fishing the high water, your not coming up with a friend who knows how to fish the high water lye's, knows the local creeks, streams,, etc.... or are not booked with a guide then I would postpone my trip up here. I love the high water as it gives me option's galore! Unfortunately, it tends to intimidate the unseasoned steelhead angler and rightly so.

Salmon River Report March 31:
Charles fished by himself today with me watching and helping with any lil part of perfecting his already pretty good drift fishing techniques. (Team work, all striving for the same goals) Once again I thought we would have done a lil better today. But at days end Charles was a respectable 1 for 2 on Steelhead. The one we lost gave us a 4 foot jump before breaking the line. Again, there are options galore on where to fish. It would take me 3 days to drift boat 3 miles to cover every chrome hold'n spot. At days end Im always left with 20 other places I would have like to have played. Good Luck, Randy
(See Photo www.yankeeangler.com - Fishing Reports)

Easily a 16 lb. beautiful fresh female Steelhead bulging with eggs, but not ready to spawn yet. (Eggs were still tight) What a trophy fish, released. Congrats!!


Randy Jones


Date Fished: Never ending
Location: Pucker Brush Creek
Water Conditions: Crystal clear to stained - depending
Posted By:  "Randy Jones" randysjones@earthlink.net
     4/3/2004 11:44:00 AM   Report ID: 10207

Report: The below is www.yankeeangler.com - Fishing Report (high speed a major plus) from Friday. With pictures of a 20 lb'r we landed! I'm not sure how to post pictures on this web site, so you may have to go to the site to view.

Salmon River Report April 3:
Scheduled day off

Until MIDNIGHT Mon APR 05, 4,600 CFS Ye-haa! Surfs up! Cant wait until Tuesday!!

Salmon River Report April 2:
Bill and Tom were in for a reeeeeel treat today. I felt our best chance of seeing (crystal clear water and fresh-fresh Steelhead and playing - landing the most Steelhead would be to do some sight and blind casting up on the Tug Hill Plateau area (Ssssh). We all felt like lil kids in a candy store today as we saw, fought and caught fish after fish. Wow, Randy, Look at all these fish . There is one here, three over their, 2 up their, 1 making it's way up stream down their, opps, I missed this one that is right at my feet. I've never in my entire life (many years of experience on the Salmon River and beyond for Steelhead) seen so many 8 to 16 lb. Steelhead in crystal clear water easily accessible by the wade angler they said. Everyone else is complaining that the water is to high, to cold, they aint bit'n, water is to dirty from run-off, etc... and you put us on eating, hard fighting fish when the average guy has either given up or not doing so well. Wow! (As their jaws dropped) Was about all they could say when we spent the entire day having a blast finding, casting, fighting and landing in most cases these fresh and incredibly aggressive Steelhead.
(Yes, it is true, most average anglers are intimidated and rightly so by the high water. Most anglers do not have the experience with it to know the who, what, where to overcome the intimidation factor. Very common and understandable. We were all new once, even me! Going with a friend that can help you out is my recommendation so you can come up and enjoy the hell out of this incredible area.)

Below are just a few of the landed Steelhead from today. Incredible!

(See Photo)

Fresh Steelhead under the wood and left alone, unfishable. These fish were so relaxed and comfortable in their natural environment that in many cases you could stand within 5 feet of them and they would not spook! Seemed more like we were in the wilds of Alaska then in the State of NY. Did not see or expect to see another angler ALL day. We put on at least a couple of miles, but it was worth every step.

(See Photo)

One of several places we fished. Swinging an unweighted black woolly bugger with a weight forward floating line an inch or 2 under the surface worked the best. They would chase it several feet before slamming it and then come catapulting out of the water, trying to throw the hook. Talk about exciting and getting those adrenaline rush's up your spine. (And elsewhere, but remember this is a G rated web site:)

(See Both Photo's)

The reward's of fishing proficiently. What a beauty! Another Buck with spawning colors galore! It's funny, most of the water we fished would hold trout measured by the inch. But instead today they were measured by the Pound! :)

(See Photo)

Sometimes a quiet, stealth like approach was needed in some special situations. Crouch down, walk ever so slowly into position, get down on your knees before casting. Almost looked more like we were trout fishing then Steelheading. A few fish spooked after only one cast.

(See Photo)

Just one of the rewards by trying to blend into the surrounding environment. Nice sized Buck!

(See Photo www.yankeeangler.com - Fishing Reports)

When was the last time you caught or saw a 20'lb, (maybe plus lb.) Steelhead? This one had the size closer to a Salmon than a Steelhead. Wow!! I use one of the biggest nets on the river and it took me 3 tries before I could finally fit all of it into the net. We were using Seagar Floro Carbon in 8lb. test .009 diameter.

(See Photo)

Another shot of the same fish , different angler. No, we were not pushing the fish out to make it look bigger. What a honk'a!! Congrats to you both!!
More pictures coming soon. We have some nice action shots of me in fast moving, waste deep water trying to net this big ol pig. Now this is what you call a Salmon River Keep'A! (All Fish Released, Hmmm, that's a novel idea. Wish more people would consider it)

I have referral guides (all have drift boats as back-ups if needed or wanted) who have open dates presently if your interested. E-Mail me with dates.

F.Y.I. - West is best, . Then try North or East of the Salmon River, then try here. (In my opinion )

Mail Bag:
Randy can u post Dam site for river flows somewhere. Is it black river?
Salmon River water flow link. http://www.h2oline.com/365123.asp

Food for thought, let them know how YOU feel!
Proposal GL-3. I strongly support the proposal to limit the creel limit for rainbow trout and steelhead in all Lake Ontario tributaries to 1 fish per day. However, I would also encourage amending the proposal to include coho salmon and possibly chinook salmon to the 1 per day creel limit; which means, only keep 1 fish per day regardless of whether it is a salmon, steelhead, or rainbow trout. My reasoning for further change is as follows:

1. The majority of anglers fishing during the "salmon season" have difficulty in making a distinction between a fresh run steelhead and coho salmon. (In fact , I question if many even know the difference between a coho and chinook salmon!) Thus there is the opportunity to keep 3 steelhead believing they are coho salmon.

2. And perhaps the greatest fallacy in this proposal and any of the other angler regulations for the Great Lakes tributaries is the failure of DEC conservation officers to properly police and apprehend those violating the regulations, especially on the Salmon River (the exception being the Douglaston Run where private staff patrol and monitor the Run). If DEC is unable to enforce the existing regulations, what success will they have in enforcing the 1 fish per day creel limit for steelhead and rainbow trout. At least with a creel limit of 1 fish per day whether it be steelhead, rainbow trout, or salmon, the fishing public would be in a much better position to observe and possibly report violations regarding the creel limit.

Proposal GL-7. I support this proposal as presently crafted. It always was a mystery to me why the Salmon River and Little Salmon were identified as exceptions to the 15 inch minimum length for trout and salmon.
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Hi Dick,
I agree 100%!!!!!! Most (99%) of the folks do not know the difference between a fresh coho and a steelhead. The easiest way is to simply look at the gums or inside of mouth. If the inside of the mouth is white, it is a steelhead. If the gums or inside of mouth are gray then it's a Coho. (Salmon)
Hope all is well and thanks for y





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